On the relationship of the injected power between constant torque forcing and constant velocity forcing of fully turbulent flow Olivier Cadot a) Unite ´ de Me ´canique de l’Ecole Nationale Supe ´rieure de Techniques Avance ´es, Chemin de la Hunie `re, 92170 Palaiseau Cedex, France Jean Hugues Titon Laboratoire de Me ´canique, Universite ´ du Havre, 25 Rue Philippe Lebon, 76058 Le Havre Cedex, France Received 9 December 2003; accepted 27 February 2004; published online 4 May 2004 DOI: 10.1063/1.1714666 In a recent experimental work, Titon and Cadot 1 consid- ered the turbulent flow that is either forced with a constant angular velocity  mode, or with a constant torque  mode. For each case, the power injected in the turbulent flow is given by P t = P eff t - 1 2 I 1 d 1 t  2 dt - 1 2 I 2 d 2 t  2 dt , 1 where P eff (t)= 1 (t) 1 eff (t)+ 2 (t) 2 eff (t) with i ( t ) and i eff (t) being, respectively, the instantaneous angular velocity and the torque applied on the forcing device i. For the mode, there are not any angular velocity fluctuations and the power injected in the flow is P t = 0 t . 2 We denote by 0 = 1 =- 2 the counter-rotation angular velocity, and by ( t ) = 1 ( t ) - 2 ( t ) the total torque that the turbulent drag exerts on both devices. For the mode, the torques on both forcing devices are fixed in order to have 0 = 1 eff =- 2 eff . We denote by ( t ) = 1 ( t ) - 2 ( t ) the to- tal velocity. Thus the power injected in the flow becomes P t = 0 t - 1 2 I 1 d 1 t  2 dt - 1 2 I 2 d 2 t  2 dt . 3 In this case the power depends strongly on the inertia. In this Comment, we show that the nonlinear changing of forcing variables between both forcing modes allows us to retrieve completely the differences in the shape of the in- jected power statistics measured by Titon and Cadot. 1 We start by assuming that the inertia of the forcing devices is zero, in this case the injected power fluctuations result from the angular velocity fluctuations of the forcing devices only. With this assumption, the power injected for the mode is P t = 0 t . 4 The angular velocity fluctuations can be seen as a reversed mirror of the drag torque fluctuations due to the flow: those that are directly measured in the case of the mode. Thus, to maintain a constant torque for the mode, the angular velocity increases respectively, decreaseswhen the torque decreases respectively, increases. The relationship between the velocity and the drag torque is a property of turbulence. We will assume it to be simply t =a 2 t . 5 The relation is dimensional and has been experimentally checked for the relationship between time averaged torque and angular velocity in this experimental setup Ref. 1 and references therein. Hence, due to a turbulent torque fluctua- tion of magnitude ( t ), the forcing device has to adjust its velocity to t =-t  / 2 a t  , 6 in order to keep the drag torque constant. We denote by P 0 , the mean power injected for the mode, from the measurements of Titon and Cadot: 1 P 0 =P =a 0 3 . 7a It is worth noticing that Titon and Cadot 1 did not measure any differences between the power injected for both modes, they also have for the mode P =a 0 3 , 0 =a 0 2 where 0 = 1 =- 2 . 7b According to Eqs. 5, 7a, and 7bwe can construct a relation between both powers defined in Eqs. 2and 4: P ( t ) =P O P ( t ). This variable change takes into account the nonlinearity between torque and velocity but not the re- versed behavior in the fluctuations and the fact that both averaged powers are identical. It is then natural to propose the simplest nonlinear relationship between the variables as P t = P 0 + P O P -P O P t . 8 Their probability density functions PDFs, denoted by f * for the variable P and by f for the variable P , should then verify from Eq. 8 a Electronic mail: cadot@ensta.fr PHYSICS OF FLUIDS JUNE 2004 VOLUME 16, NUMBER 6 COMMENTS Comments refer to papers published in Physics of Fluids and are subject to a length limitation of two printed pages. The Board of Editors will not hold itself responsible for the opinions expressed in the Comments. 1070-6631/2004/16(6)/2140/2/$22.00 2140 © 2004 American Institute of Physics