1 Thoughts on order, etc. occasioned by writings of J. P. Wesley. Jeremy Dunning-Davies Institute for Theoretical Physics and Advanced Mathematics (IFM) Einstein-Galilei, Via Santa Gonda, 14 - 59100 Prato, Italy and Institute for Basic Research, Palm Harbor, Florida, U.S.A. email: j.dunning-davies@hull.ac.uk David Sands Department of Physics, Hull University, Hull HU6 7RX, England email: d.sands@hull.ac.uk Abstract. Although rarely, if ever, acknowledged, there is real confusion existing over several of the fundamental ideas of classical macroscopic thermodynamics. Many of these surround the concept of entropy and one of the big questions never publicly asked is whether or not the functions called entropy in various branches of mathematics and physics are all the same? Here some thoughts are presented which have been provoked by reading some of the writings of J. P. Wesley in the hope that they, in turn, will provoke further examination of these notions, many of which are so basic to so many areas of physics and are causing so much trouble for students at the present time.